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Ask Josh: Do Suppressors Work Better On Piston or DI Rifles?

Today’s question has a great deal to do with gas, but don’t worry it is in fact the fun kind. Reader Todd asks:

”Which is easier to suppress, a direct impingement (DI) or piston rifle? Which (suppressor) do you prefer?”

To answer the second part first, I really have no preference as far as suppressors go. I’ve shot dozens and have have a great time with all of them for the most part, and I’ll be posting some great suppressor reviews here on TTAG in the coming weeks.

The thing I have a particular preference for is what that suppressor does to the rifle as far as function goes. To look into my answer here we need to look at how these different systems work and just what makes them different in good and bad ways.

The reason I have no preference is because I own both types of rifle and they’re just good for different things. Piston guns generally aren’t as accurate as a DI rifle for several reasons, those being generally related to how the gas system is affixed to the barrel.

A DI gun has no moving parts above the barrel itself and as a result you can tune it pretty nicely. All the movement is occurring behind the barrel. You can also get free-floating handguards which certainly helps.

The gas tube is visible through the handguard (the skinny silver tube).

A piston rifle has more going on above the barrel, usually in the form of the piston assembly itself and that tends to be a bulky affair. There is more moving mass and this mass is usually comprised on a gas tube and multi-part piston assembly. This piston is sometimes a part of the bolt carrier and other times is a type of spring loaded plunger that drives the bolt back and retracts.

Handguns are typically recoil operated and do not rely on a gas system, but do require special boosters or pistons in the suppressor to allow function.

If I am going for accuracy, I will almost certainly pick a DI rifle. The AR-15 design is just so much more mature than the rest and there is a great deal of consistency and millions of man-hours of collective knowledge about them. The primary problem associated with a suppressed AR is how incredibly filthy they get.

You can see the gas tube, which contains the piston inside this BRN-180 handguard.

The DI system is dirty by nature. For the newbies out there, an AR-15 rifle functions, in layman’s terms, by blowing pressurized gas from the burning powder of a fired round through a hole in the barrel back up a thin tube and into the receiver itself. This pressure forces the bolt carrier back and cycles the rifle.

With a suppressor installed, the amount of propellant pressure generated at firing is increased and more of the gas stays inside the gun. This is why you sometimes see rounds like 300 Blackout not cycling subsonic loads without a suppressor attached. There is a longer answer to this as far as subsonic vs. super sonic goes, but that is at least an example of pressure curve and how it is impacted by a suppressor.

A piston rifle with a suppressor attached will remain cleaner and cooler for a greater length of time and shouldn’t have the same reliably issues as far as cleanliness is concerned.

An AR bolt is cycled directly by gas, but the BRN-180’s bolt is punched by a rod/piston. You can see a faint mark between the guide rod holes in the carrier from this piston.

The main problem with getting a piston gun to run with a suppressor is there is zero crossover between different piston gun brands. A FN SCAR isn’t compatible with a BRN-180, but a Colt AR-15 is compatible with a SIG AR lower, and a SIG barrel can be installed on a Colt upper.

The AR-15 platform is generally like LEGOs in terms of interchangeability, but when you start mixing in piston guns, you’re sort of like that kid who brings Mega Bloks to the play date. It’s just not the same and it won’t line up. There are so many different piston uppers and guns out there and each one has slightly different requirements for what it takes to suppress them reliably.

The BRN-180 upper comes with a gas adapter for suppressor shooting. Many other guns comes with an adjustable switch for the gas, and occasionally you’ll see a setting for 1 or 2, with the manual saying ‘2 for suppressed’ or something like that. This setting is pretty much like a choke on a small engine. The settings either increase or decrease the gas intake to make for a difference in pressure.

The charging handle allows gas to escape and get into the shooter’s eye.

Tuning a DI rifle is much easier, mostly because so many people do it with what amounts to the exact same parts. Different length gas systems do different things to the pressure cycle inside the gun itself.

A short pistol length tube has a sharp and high pressure curve, while a long rifle length tube offers a more graceful pressure arc. If you shoot a modern M4-style carbine next to a vintage 20” M16A1, you’ll clearly feel the difference in how soft the latter shoots.

Reliable function in a DI gun can be achieved simply by swapping out to a different buffer weight or putting in a new buffer spring. Rarely does this impact reliability between suppressed and unsuppressed shooting in this case.

The rear of this BRN-180 upper is fully enclosed, so no gas in the eye.

A note is that a DI gun can get over-gassed with a suppressor in place quite easily. This means that there is an excessive amount of gas being blown back into the receiver and this can be uncomfortable to the shooter.

Gas can blow back through the upper and bleed out right into your shooting eye by way of the charging handle gap and cause eye irritation. This can be prevented with something like the PRI gas buster charging handle, which in large part mitigates this annoying situation.

Suppressing a rifle is not hard, but knowing how your gun works and what adaptors to get is paramount.

To find out more about silencers and to get educated on them, as well as shop for brands and uses, head over to SilencerShop. You can find the suppressors in this article and more.

This article is really meant as an introduction to the concept and it gets much more detailed than this if you start to dig in. Not all rifles will run reliably with a suppressor attached, so if you are planning on using one, you had perhaps contact the manufacturer and see if they have tested their products suppressed. This will be especially important with piston rifles.

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